Former Attorney-General George Brandis joins us to discuss the invasion of Ukraine, the geographic challenges facing the Liberal Party and referendum politics.

Can moderates regain a foothold in the Liberal Party after the 2022 election defeat?

Would releasing an early draft of the Voice to Parliament legislation silence some of the ‘yes’ campaign’s critics?

Did Anthony Albanese make the right decision to attend the NATO meeting in Vilnius? And how does Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy convey that he’s a leader at war?

Professor George Brandis KC joins Professor Mark Kenny and Dr Marija Taflaga to discuss these questions and more on this episode of Democracy Sausage.

George Brandis KC is a former Attorney-General, the recent Australian High Commissioner to the United Kingdom and a Professor in the Practice of National Security at The Australian National University (ANU).

Marija Taflaga is the Director of the ANU Centre for the Study of Australian Politics and a Lecturer at the ANU School of Politics and International Relations.

Mark Kenny is a Professor at the ANU Australian Studies Institute. He came to the University after a high-profile journalistic career including six years as chief political correspondent and national affairs editor for The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age and The Canberra Times.

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