Climate negotiator George Carter and climatologist Janette Lindesay join us to discuss the COP28 discussions in Dubai.

The climate is in dangerous territory as the globe prepares to meet in Dubai for the 2023 United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP28).

So, what’s on the table in this year’s discussions? And will any new commitments be enough to keep people safe?

On this episode of Democracy Sausage, Dr George Carter and Professor Janette Lindesay join Mark and Marija to discuss gradual progress in the context of a fast-changing climate.

George Carter is Deputy Head of the ANU Department of Pacific Affairs and Director of the ANU Pacific Institute.

Janette Lindesay is a climatologist and Professor at the ANU Fenner School of Environment and Society.

Marija Taflaga is the Director of the ANU Centre for the Study of Australian Politics and a Lecturer at the ANU School of Politics and International Relations.

Mark Kenny is a Professor at the ANU Australian Studies Institute. He came to the University after a high-profile journalistic career including six years as chief political correspondent and national affairs editor for The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age and The Canberra Times.
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