Former foreign minister Bob Carr joins us to talk about AUKUS, Julian Assange and the Australian government’s language around the Israeli-Palestinian conflict ahead of Labor’s national conference.

Is Australia acting against its national interests through the AUKUS deal and other defence agreements being struck with the United States?

Should the Albanese government be more vigorous in its support for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange?

And what is the prospect of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

On this episode of Democracy Sausage, former Labor foreign minister the Hon Bob Carr joins Professor Mark Kenny to discuss Australian foreign policy in the lead-up to the Labor Party’s national conference.

The Hon Bob Carr is a former Australian foreign minister, former New South Wales premier and Industry Professor (Business and Climate Change) at the University of Technology Sydney.

Mark Kenny is a Professor at the ANU Australian Studies Institute. He came to the University after a high-profile journalistic career including six years as chief political correspondent and national affairs editor for The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age and The Canberra Times.

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This podcast is produced by The Australian National University.

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