Sam Roggeveen from the Lowy Institute joins us on this Democracy Sausage to discuss Australia’s search for power and peace in the Indo-Pacific.

What is Australia’s biggest asset when it comes to defending against a rising China?

Have the economic arguments made in favour of AUKUS been over-egged by the federal government? And how far should Australia go to protect Taiwan’s democracy?

On this episode of Democracy Sausage, Director of the Lowy Institute’s International Security Program Sam Roggeveen joins Professor Mark Kenny to discuss Australia’s security, the AUKUS deal and his new book, The Echidna Strategy.

Sam Roggeveen is Director of the Lowy Institute’s International Security Program and author of The Echidna Strategy: Australia’s Search for Power and Peace.

Mark Kenny is a Professor at the ANU Australian Studies Institute. He came to the University after a high-profile journalistic career including six years as chief political correspondent and national affairs editor for The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age and The Canberra Times.

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