Sophia Gaston and Mark Kenny discuss balloons in the United States, tanks in Ukraine, and railways in the United Kingdom on this episode of Democracy Sausage.

It’s a bird, it’s a plane…it’s a 200-foot-high Chinese surveillance balloon flying over the northern United States (allegedly)!

On this episode of Democracy Sausage, Head of Foreign Policy and UK Resilience at British thinktank Policy Exchange, Sophia Gaston, joins Professor Mark Kenny to discuss whether the discovery of said inflatable has yet again let the air out of US-China relations.

The pair also talk through the major European powers’ role in supporting Ukraine against the Russian invasion, and whether British Labour Party leader Keir Starmer can pull off the improbable and win the next election.

Sophia Gaston is Head of Foreign Policy and UK Resilience at Policy Exchange, one of the United Kingdom’s leading thinktanks.

Mark Kenny is a Professor at ANU Australian Studies Institute. He came to the university after a high-profile journalistic career including six years as chief political correspondent and national affairs editor for The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, and The Canberra Times.

Democracy Sausage with Mark Kenny is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

This podcast is produced by The Australian National University.

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