Journalist and broadcaster Hamish Macdonald joins us to discuss the stories behind some of the world’s most influential leaders.

Who’s the most powerful woman in the world right now?

Can Joe Biden be an effective antidote to populism and demagoguery in the United States?

And is Volodymyr Zelenskyy living proof that an individual leader can have a major influence on the course of history?

On this episode of Democracy Sausage, ABC journalist Hamish Macdonald joins Professor Mark Kenny and Dr Marija Taflaga to discuss the political figures shaping global events and season two of his podcast, Take Me to Your Leader! 

Hamish Macdonald is a journalist, broadcaster and host of the ABC podcast, Take Me to Your Leader!

Marija Taflaga is the Director of the ANU Centre for the Study of Australian Politics and a Lecturer at the ANU School of Politics and International Relations.

Mark Kenny is a Professor at the ANU Australian Studies Institute. He came to the University after a high-profile journalistic career including six years as chief political correspondent and national affairs editor for The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age and The Canberra Times.

Democracy Sausage with Mark Kenny is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Google Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. We’d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to

This podcast is produced by The Australian National University

Top image: Ursula von der Leyen speaks to the European Parliament. Photo: European Parliament/Flickr (CC-BY-4.0)

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